WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 Okay, thank you so much. 00:07.000 --> 00:10.000 You're also a celebrity to me, of course. 00:10.000 --> 00:12.000 So my name is Simon. 00:12.000 --> 00:13.000 I get right to the point. 00:13.000 --> 00:16.000 Today, I'm here to talk about Faircamp. 00:16.000 --> 00:20.000 And Faircamp is a static site generator for audit producers. 00:20.000 --> 00:23.000 And that means it's a tool that you can install on your computer 00:23.000 --> 00:27.000 and turns your audit productions, meaning your podcasts, your album, your singles, 00:27.000 --> 00:30.000 whatever it is, into a website. 00:30.000 --> 00:33.000 And not just any website, but a website that is instructable, 00:33.000 --> 00:36.000 that runs very fast, that is easy to host. 00:36.000 --> 00:41.000 It doesn't cost a lot of money to host, especially that is completely free from maintenance 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 and that runs pretty much everywhere. 00:44.000 --> 00:47.000 And now in a few minutes, I just want to show you basically the tutorial, 00:47.000 --> 00:50.000 which is the quickest simplest usage example. 00:50.000 --> 00:53.000 And it's also the base process of how you use Faircamp always. 00:53.000 --> 00:58.000 So after three minutes or so, you'll be perfectly able to use Faircamp yourself if you want. 00:58.000 --> 01:02.000 The only thing that they need to prepare to use Faircamp is one folder, 01:02.000 --> 01:04.000 and that we call the catalog directory. 01:04.000 --> 01:07.000 And it's just the folder where you put in other folders. 01:07.000 --> 01:09.000 And those folders are the release folders. 01:09.000 --> 01:14.000 A release could be your podcast, it could be your album, your single, whatever. 01:14.000 --> 01:20.000 Basically, just the directory, the contains audio files, and potentially also a cover image. 01:21.000 --> 01:26.000 And one more thing, you can also nest this arbitrarily, these are just for your organization. 01:26.000 --> 01:29.000 So Faircamp doesn't mind that, it also doesn't do anything with it. 01:29.000 --> 01:31.000 You can ask that, but it doesn't have to. 01:31.000 --> 01:35.000 And at this point, if you set up everything that you need to run Faircamp, 01:35.000 --> 01:38.000 so you can download it, it's available for all major platforms. 01:38.000 --> 01:42.000 And after you've installed it, you can basically in the terminal, run Faircamp, 01:42.000 --> 01:45.000 point it to where your catalog directory is located. 01:45.000 --> 01:50.000 And here we also add previews that opens the website afterwards in the browser. 01:50.000 --> 01:54.000 And as soon as you start that, it starts scanning through your catalog directory. 01:54.000 --> 01:56.000 It reads the text from your audio files. 01:56.000 --> 02:02.000 So it's important to also tag these files well, if you would like to these things to show up in the website. 02:02.000 --> 02:07.000 And it also transcodes your source audio files into the suitable streaming format. 02:07.000 --> 02:12.000 And also resizes the cover images for web display. 02:12.000 --> 02:15.000 And as soon as that's done, it opens the browser right away. 02:15.000 --> 02:18.000 You can see that we have here the covers of the albums. 02:18.000 --> 02:21.000 We can click on them, get to the release pages. 02:21.000 --> 02:23.000 We can also let's on the top right. 02:23.000 --> 02:27.000 Use the browse feature to search the entire catalog interactively. 02:27.000 --> 02:32.000 We can of course play back, stream the tracks in the release context. 02:32.000 --> 02:38.000 You can also open specific tracks and play them back on the track page. 02:38.000 --> 02:42.000 And this is basically the base package that you get, just by putting this folder in as 02:42.000 --> 02:46.000 already this audio files in folder and running free account. 02:46.000 --> 02:48.000 And from there on, you can still do a lot more. 02:48.000 --> 02:50.000 And this is a system called manifest. 02:50.000 --> 02:54.000 So these are simple text files. 02:54.000 --> 02:56.000 And here we have them at three different levels. 02:56.000 --> 03:02.000 So you can see at the bottom there's a catalog manifest, which is a file 03:02.000 --> 03:06.000 of control settings for the entire website that will be generated. 03:06.000 --> 03:09.000 We have release manifest for each release directory. 03:09.000 --> 03:11.000 Those controlled settings for the release. 03:11.000 --> 03:16.000 And again, here on the top you see that one of those tracks is now wrapped in a directory 03:16.000 --> 03:18.000 alongside a track manifest. 03:18.000 --> 03:20.000 So this is the same thing for tracks. 03:20.000 --> 03:24.000 And in a track manifest for instance, we can put a synopsis option. 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 This is just a short description of that track. 03:27.000 --> 03:31.000 And when we saved that, we built the site using the command that we saw earlier. 03:31.000 --> 03:37.000 We get the track page with the synopsis and added next to the listen button. 03:37.000 --> 03:41.000 Likewise, you could use the more fields, which is just a catch all. 03:41.000 --> 03:45.000 They can put in lyrics or the people that worked on your album or your favorite 03:45.000 --> 03:46.000 poem or whatever it is. 03:46.000 --> 03:49.000 And there's also an option which says more label. 03:49.000 --> 03:52.000 And that helps you to classify what kind of content went in there. 03:52.000 --> 03:56.000 And when you generate the site afterwards, what you get is a lyrics at the bottom 03:56.000 --> 03:57.000 here of the track page. 03:57.000 --> 04:00.000 And up there next to the listen button, there's now a button that says lyrics. 04:00.000 --> 04:05.000 And on mobile, that takes you scrolling down when you don't see it yet. 04:05.000 --> 04:10.000 And likewise, also on the release page, you have now in the context of the track, 04:10.000 --> 04:13.000 a lyrics button, which is important to let people can discover this content 04:13.000 --> 04:16.000 also from the release page. 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 And on the release level, this is also possible. 04:19.000 --> 04:23.000 So here we are in a release manifest and we use release downloads option to enable 04:23.000 --> 04:25.000 downloads in two formats here. 04:25.000 --> 04:28.000 Again, you save that, which regenerate the page. 04:28.000 --> 04:32.000 And then fair camp adds a download button to the release page. 04:32.000 --> 04:36.000 And people can then choose between these two formats. 04:36.000 --> 04:41.000 And when they click that, they can basically get a sip archive with the audio files 04:41.000 --> 04:43.000 and with the cover image. 04:43.000 --> 04:47.000 And potentially also bonus files like PDF or something like this, 04:47.000 --> 04:48.000 can also go in there. 04:48.000 --> 04:52.000 And one last visual example of this, fair camp has a fairly elaborate 04:52.000 --> 04:54.000 theme system. 04:54.000 --> 04:56.000 You can see the entire website. 04:56.000 --> 05:00.000 You can see specific releases and also specific tracks. 05:00.000 --> 05:04.000 And to add a little in that process, there's a theme in which you can enable. 05:04.000 --> 05:07.000 And this goes as an overlay above your live page. 05:07.000 --> 05:10.000 You can use those sliders to play in real time with different colors, 05:10.000 --> 05:15.000 with a dark light color scheme background image, background opacity, and so on and so forth. 05:15.000 --> 05:18.000 And when you're happy with the settings, you have down there, 05:18.000 --> 05:22.000 the part that goes into the manifest, you just copy that, put it in the manifest, 05:22.000 --> 05:25.000 generate the site, and then it's baked in there. 05:25.000 --> 05:29.000 And the list goes on, so there's a lot of stuff that is covered by fair camp. 05:29.000 --> 05:31.000 It's really not a toy. 05:31.000 --> 05:37.000 And to have a short look behind the curtain, the stuff that is generated, 05:37.000 --> 05:42.000 the stuff that we just saw, that is all plain HTML, plain CSS, and vanilla JavaScript. 05:42.000 --> 05:45.000 There are no third-party dependencies involved whatsoever, 05:45.000 --> 05:47.000 so no React, no tailwind, or nothing. 05:47.000 --> 05:51.000 Without that is that the footprint is very tiny. 05:51.000 --> 05:57.000 This page is run very well also on really old smartphones, on really slow internet connections. 05:57.000 --> 06:00.000 And they also work with our JavaScript. 06:00.000 --> 06:03.000 So if you have JavaScript, the things are going to work better, 06:03.000 --> 06:06.000 it's a bit more convenient, but everything that is functioning needed, 06:06.000 --> 06:10.000 especially playing back tracks, works without JavaScript as well. 06:10.000 --> 06:14.000 And as a last point, the whole thing is also highly accessible. 06:14.000 --> 06:20.000 I had an alnet grant, and together with a hand-university with two passes of auditing, 06:20.000 --> 06:25.000 and really put in lots and lots and lots of hours to make this work well on screen readers, 06:25.000 --> 06:28.000 and on assistive technology in general. 06:28.000 --> 06:32.000 And for a very brief history, the whole thing started in 2021, 06:32.000 --> 06:34.000 which is when I first announced it. 06:34.000 --> 06:39.000 Fast forward, December 2024, was when Fair camp 1.0 was released. 06:39.000 --> 06:42.000 As I mentioned, that would happen through a grant from an alnet. 06:42.000 --> 06:43.000 This is a much worse part. 06:43.000 --> 06:45.000 We really have it greatly. 06:45.000 --> 06:48.000 And now fast forward again, we're already looking in the future. 06:48.000 --> 06:50.000 September 2026. 06:50.000 --> 06:54.000 So this year is the plan to release date for Fair camp 2.0. 06:54.000 --> 06:58.000 I've been working on this for like three or four weeks now, very intensively. 06:58.000 --> 07:00.000 And this work is founded through a grant from netty. 07:00.000 --> 07:03.000 Netty is an Austrian, open source funding program. 07:03.000 --> 07:04.000 Thank you so much as well to them. 07:04.000 --> 07:08.000 It's also what allows them to be here and present to you. 07:08.000 --> 07:13.000 The thing that is definitely coming in 2.0 is a desktop application with a graphical user interface. 07:13.000 --> 07:17.000 And the important thing to note here is that what we just saw, the command line interface, 07:17.000 --> 07:18.000 that is going to stay. 07:18.000 --> 07:22.000 So you can either use that workflow, or you can use the desktop application. 07:22.000 --> 07:25.000 And you can also use both at the same time. 07:25.000 --> 07:29.000 It really builds on the same data model, just this full structure that is on the background. 07:29.000 --> 07:32.000 And it's fully compatible. 07:32.000 --> 07:36.000 And there's also a bunch of other stuff that is very likely coming, 07:36.000 --> 07:40.000 very likely because it's still working on it, and figuring out what will really work and whatnot. 07:40.000 --> 07:44.000 But the general theme is that the architecture is subtly, 07:44.000 --> 07:48.000 but profoundly improved as the foundational level. 07:48.000 --> 07:52.000 So that some use cases that are just not all possible right now will be possible afterwards. 07:52.000 --> 07:56.000 And important here, also last point, numerous other additions as they come up, 07:56.000 --> 07:58.000 because I'm just starting with this work. 07:58.000 --> 08:02.000 And a small side note, sometimes people discover Fair camp online, 08:02.000 --> 08:04.000 and they tell me they write me a message. 08:04.000 --> 08:07.000 It's really cool, but do you know, is there anything like that for video? 08:07.000 --> 08:09.000 And the good news is there is. 08:09.000 --> 08:13.000 So two or three years ago, I started as well, to work on something like this for video. 08:13.000 --> 08:15.000 The name of that is the Hyper8 video system. 08:15.000 --> 08:16.000 Here's a link to it. 08:16.000 --> 08:18.000 It will also be on the last slide. 08:18.000 --> 08:22.000 But this is all I want to say about this here, because time is short. 08:22.000 --> 08:27.000 Okay, and with this, I want to close the chapter of Fair Camp specifically, 08:27.000 --> 08:32.000 and want to give you an idea of where I think Fair Camp sits in the bigger picture. 08:33.000 --> 08:38.000 And I start with the only controversial thing I'm going to say here today, or I think so, 08:38.000 --> 08:44.000 which is that I think streaming is a real problem, to artists, to producers. 08:44.000 --> 08:48.000 It just takes away so much agency, so much power, so much ownership, 08:48.000 --> 08:53.000 and gives it in the hands of very few, a lot of money from it, 08:53.000 --> 08:56.000 and just also creates perverse incentives for producers. 08:56.000 --> 09:01.000 So this is really something that I think as likely we have to overcome in the next months and years. 09:02.000 --> 09:08.000 And to put this in a more refined picture, so here are some detailed aspects that I think will play a role in all of this. 09:08.000 --> 09:14.000 And if you're wondering where Fair Camp is in all of this, it is the point right at the center where it says, 09:14.000 --> 09:19.000 please make websites again. So important, if you have the own website, you regain so much of the agency, 09:19.000 --> 09:22.000 of the ownership, of the control over your own works. 09:22.000 --> 09:27.000 And it really gives you back, even if maybe it doesn't change a financial situation, 09:27.000 --> 09:30.000 which is usually really catastrophic if you're on streaming platforms, 09:30.000 --> 09:33.000 if at least gives you back dignity and agency. 09:33.000 --> 09:36.000 And this is something super important in this stage. 09:36.000 --> 09:39.000 And to show, thank you. 09:44.000 --> 09:50.000 And I want to now also present a few people, because I'm really just a tiny fragment of this whole community movement, 09:50.000 --> 09:54.000 and I want to showcase a few people who are doing really cool work, 09:54.000 --> 09:56.000 and I, which I invite you also to check out. 09:56.000 --> 10:03.000 So I put here on this slide, Milo and Jamco up, these are two cooperatives, which offer a platform that is open source, 10:03.000 --> 10:06.000 and will also soon be self-hostible. 10:06.000 --> 10:12.000 And it allows artists to put their music up for streaming, for download to purchase, 10:12.000 --> 10:16.000 and also, in the case, Milo to do crowdfunding. 10:16.000 --> 10:21.000 And Bandwagon, maybe you, some of you saw Band's talk yesterday, 10:21.000 --> 10:23.000 he's also here at Boston. 10:23.000 --> 10:27.000 This is, I hope, Band doesn't throw something at me for this. 10:27.000 --> 10:30.000 It's a bit like Macedon for artists, if you will. 10:30.000 --> 10:33.000 So it's very much focused on the Fediverse, but other than that, 10:33.000 --> 10:36.000 it also has a lot of the ideas from Milo and Jamco up. 10:36.000 --> 10:40.000 Then there's the Indibit Television, a project that just very recently launched, 10:40.000 --> 10:44.000 and you can imagine it basically as MTV, but it's run by the cool folks on the Fediverse. 10:44.000 --> 10:46.000 Definitely something to check out. 10:46.000 --> 10:50.000 They have a 24-7 stream program of music videos and other cool stuff. 10:50.000 --> 10:52.000 Likewise, also Indibit Radio. 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 It's a bit the precursor to that. 10:54.000 --> 10:58.000 It's an online radio that has strong ties to the Fediverse as well. 10:58.000 --> 11:00.000 Also ties in with Bandwagon. 11:00.000 --> 11:02.000 Then there's, for instance, Gravitons. 11:02.000 --> 11:06.000 It's a community that experiments a lot with live streaming formats. 11:06.000 --> 11:10.000 They have a very lively active creative program, which I invited to check out. 11:10.000 --> 11:14.000 And as one last example, something from a specific artist, 11:14.000 --> 11:16.000 that's Stefan, aka Schalen Stiller, 11:16.000 --> 11:19.000 and he just released his latest album, 11:19.000 --> 11:21.000 which is called Strategies Against Algorithms. 11:21.000 --> 11:24.000 And the twist here is that you cannot buy it online, 11:24.000 --> 11:26.000 and in a way you cannot buy it at all. 11:26.000 --> 11:30.000 But the model is that there is a reciprocal exchange of art for art. 11:30.000 --> 11:32.000 And this is how you can obtain the album. 11:32.000 --> 11:35.000 You get it as a nicely engraved USB stick. 11:35.000 --> 11:38.000 And my point is not so much that we should now all stop selling our stuff online, 11:38.000 --> 11:40.000 and just send around USB sticks. 11:40.000 --> 11:43.000 But that all of the frustration with the status quo, 11:43.000 --> 11:47.000 we can also find new avenues to deal with this problems. 11:47.000 --> 11:52.000 And find very personal and poetic ways to deal with this situation, 11:52.000 --> 11:54.000 and build something new. 11:54.000 --> 11:56.000 And then there would have been a lot of things, 11:56.000 --> 11:59.000 which I would have loved to go into more detail on, 11:59.000 --> 12:00.000 but time is super short. 12:00.000 --> 12:02.000 So I'll leave it with this slide, 12:02.000 --> 12:03.000 and the promise that on the next slide, 12:03.000 --> 12:05.000 there will be a link to the slides of the talk. 12:05.000 --> 12:10.000 Then you can afterwards check these out in detail and in quite. 12:10.000 --> 12:14.000 I also want to say thank you a lot to a lot of these people on the list, 12:14.000 --> 12:18.000 and also in one way or another helped fair camp to get where it is. 12:18.000 --> 12:20.000 So with that, say thank you so much to them. 12:20.000 --> 12:22.000 Thank you so much to you for your attention. 12:22.000 --> 12:24.000 And if you still have time for question, 12:24.000 --> 12:25.000 happy to take them. 12:25.000 --> 12:26.000 Otherwise, I'm still around until evening. 12:26.000 --> 12:27.000 So. 12:27.000 --> 12:34.000 Thank you. 12:34.000 --> 12:37.000 And basically presentation, so we'll now for some questions. 12:37.000 --> 12:39.000 Thank you, Hight. 12:39.000 --> 12:41.000 I've took short questions. 12:41.000 --> 12:46.000 First one is that I didn't understand if these software just helps 12:46.000 --> 12:49.000 to let's say browse the media, 12:49.000 --> 12:54.000 or it helps also creating, let's say, 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 the home page. 12:56.000 --> 13:00.000 So those examples, for instance, the two cops, 13:00.000 --> 13:03.000 cooperatives, and they had kind of a home page. 13:03.000 --> 13:07.000 So again, does it have also for those pages, 13:07.000 --> 13:09.000 or just for the media browsing? 13:09.000 --> 13:14.000 And the second question is, if it has some kind of statistics, 13:14.000 --> 13:17.000 so that you can see how many that will look. 13:17.000 --> 13:21.000 Did you receive and from unique IPs and so on? 13:21.000 --> 13:22.000 Thanks. 13:22.000 --> 13:23.000 Okay. 13:23.000 --> 13:24.000 I can definitely answer the second question, 13:24.000 --> 13:26.000 so there's the possibility to inject custom scripts. 13:26.000 --> 13:29.000 So with that, you can integrate any kind of analytics that you want. 13:29.000 --> 13:31.000 On a question, first of the first question, 13:31.000 --> 13:33.000 I have to admit I didn't quite get it, 13:33.000 --> 13:36.000 but Milo and Jam are different projects. 13:37.000 --> 13:38.000 Yeah. 13:38.000 --> 13:39.000 Could you go back to this one? 13:39.000 --> 13:40.000 Yeah. 13:42.000 --> 13:43.000 This one? 13:43.000 --> 13:44.000 Those pages. 13:44.000 --> 13:45.000 Yeah. 13:47.000 --> 13:48.000 Yeah. 13:48.000 --> 13:50.000 These are the pages from those two projects. 13:50.000 --> 13:52.000 They're not related to the fact that if that is a question. 13:52.000 --> 13:57.000 Anyway, can you can create this kind of home page, 13:57.000 --> 14:00.000 or with those video software? 14:00.000 --> 14:01.000 I was saying that's talk later, 14:01.000 --> 14:02.000 because that's very interesting. 14:02.000 --> 14:03.000 That's a topic. 14:03.000 --> 14:04.000 Happy to elaborate on. 14:06.000 --> 14:08.000 Two questions, if I'm allowed. 14:08.000 --> 14:12.000 I saw one of your slides that you support having a soft pay curtain. 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 What does that mean, exactly? 14:14.000 --> 14:15.000 Yeah. 14:15.000 --> 14:20.000 And also, since you built the music side and the video side, 14:20.000 --> 14:26.000 do you envision merging them and having like a music video part of this as well? 14:26.000 --> 14:27.000 Okay. 14:27.000 --> 14:29.000 The second question, 14:29.000 --> 14:30.000 merging, 14:30.000 --> 14:31.000 okay. 14:31.000 --> 14:32.000 The second question is basically, 14:32.000 --> 14:35.000 if I want to merge the video and the audio project 14:35.000 --> 14:37.000 does the second question. 14:37.000 --> 14:38.000 I don't really intend to, 14:38.000 --> 14:40.000 because my feeling is that it makes a lot of sense 14:40.000 --> 14:44.000 to really work on the main specific problems in a very good way. 14:44.000 --> 14:46.000 And if you try to fit too many things into one project, 14:46.000 --> 14:48.000 it creates problems down the line. 14:48.000 --> 14:50.000 I mean, I'm not saying that it's the wrong way. 14:50.000 --> 14:51.000 That's just different approaches. 14:51.000 --> 14:54.000 And this is the what the approach I like to take to really focus, 14:54.000 --> 14:57.000 as much as possible on one project, if you will. 14:57.000 --> 15:00.000 Sorry, can you repeat the first question? 15:00.000 --> 15:01.000 Yeah. 15:01.000 --> 15:02.000 Just a key word. 15:02.000 --> 15:03.000 The soft pay curtain. 15:03.000 --> 15:07.000 So soft pay curtain is basically a trade-off, 15:07.000 --> 15:11.000 because fair cam fundamentally generates static side. 15:11.000 --> 15:13.000 So there's no dynamic code there. 15:13.000 --> 15:17.000 And that makes it somewhere between impossible to very hard 15:17.000 --> 15:20.000 to integrate actual payment providers and a hard, 15:20.000 --> 15:22.000 hard and forced pay process. 15:22.000 --> 15:26.000 And what fair cam offers there is the soft pay curtain, 15:26.000 --> 15:29.000 which is kind of a performative payment process 15:29.000 --> 15:31.000 that basically when you, 15:31.000 --> 15:34.000 I mean, I don't have to button per se here, 15:34.000 --> 15:36.000 but there would be a buy button here, 15:36.000 --> 15:37.000 basically purchase button. 15:37.000 --> 15:40.000 And then you go through a flow that is very much like 15:40.000 --> 15:41.000 bank cam, if you know that. 15:41.000 --> 15:44.000 So there you have basically I ask you to pay, 15:44.000 --> 15:46.000 I don't know, $14 for this release, 15:46.000 --> 15:47.000 or $14 or more. 15:47.000 --> 15:50.000 And then you can provide links to where people 15:50.000 --> 15:52.000 can actually purchase purchase release. 15:52.000 --> 15:54.000 So that could be a striped account, 15:54.000 --> 15:56.000 or a paper account, or, I don't know, 15:56.000 --> 15:57.000 Patreon, and tap for whatever. 15:57.000 --> 16:00.000 And then basically people pay, go go on a link, pay, 16:00.000 --> 16:04.000 and then they come back, or basically stay on a page also. 16:04.000 --> 16:06.000 And down there, just the checkbox, 16:06.000 --> 16:07.000 this is, I actually paid. 16:07.000 --> 16:08.000 Now get me to the downloads. 16:08.000 --> 16:11.000 And of course, it's not, it's like a performative. 16:11.000 --> 16:12.000 It's a bit of a choke also. 16:12.000 --> 16:14.000 But it also plays a bit on the idea, 16:14.000 --> 16:16.000 and this is also when an infarction comes from, 16:16.000 --> 16:20.000 that a lot of people actually want to support the artists. 16:20.000 --> 16:22.000 And it's not even necessary to go to great lengths 16:22.000 --> 16:25.000 to prevent people from stealing your work, 16:26.000 --> 16:28.000 because those people that will really support you, 16:28.000 --> 16:30.000 they will pay you happily anyway. 16:30.000 --> 16:32.000 And so this is the idea that, of course, 16:32.000 --> 16:34.000 doesn't always apply, but that's the idea 16:34.000 --> 16:37.000 of how it's self-pickering. 16:37.000 --> 16:39.000 Hey, thank you so much for Faircamp. 16:39.000 --> 16:41.000 I'm wondering if you thought about 16:41.000 --> 16:44.000 or have any mechanisms for preventing AI 16:44.000 --> 16:47.000 scraping of content from these websites? 16:47.000 --> 16:50.000 Okay, so Faircamp is fairly simple thing. 16:50.000 --> 16:53.000 So in that sense, it doesn't have any of that, 16:53.000 --> 16:54.000 so you can just roll your own. 16:54.000 --> 16:57.000 I don't know, put a new piece or something in between, I guess. 16:57.000 --> 16:59.000 What it does have, which goes into that direction, 16:59.000 --> 17:03.000 is that all media assets, everything that makes the most sense 17:03.000 --> 17:06.000 to scrape, that is the most expensive, or the most annoying 17:06.000 --> 17:07.000 if people do it. 17:07.000 --> 17:08.000 So if people, for instance, 17:08.000 --> 17:12.000 hot link to your audio files on another platform or your downloads, 17:12.000 --> 17:16.000 all these URLs have a deterministic cash function 17:16.000 --> 17:17.000 in the construction. 17:17.000 --> 17:20.000 So you can basically rotate the base seat for that, 17:20.000 --> 17:23.000 and change all your else on the entire side, 17:23.000 --> 17:26.000 which is, of course, a bit of a cat and mouse game, 17:26.000 --> 17:29.000 but it just gives you some agency to say, 17:29.000 --> 17:31.000 okay, well, this is too much, I like this. 17:31.000 --> 17:33.000 I want to annoy them back a bit. 17:33.000 --> 17:35.000 Cool, thank you so much. 17:35.000 --> 17:36.000 Thank you. 17:36.000 --> 17:38.000 Have you, I didn't see anything in there, 17:38.000 --> 17:41.000 but have you got any product features in terms of sharing? 17:41.000 --> 17:45.000 So what I'm thinking is an important thing is sharing music, 17:45.000 --> 17:49.000 and so having a good website embeddings, for example, 17:49.000 --> 17:51.000 if I were to share one of these tracks, 17:51.000 --> 17:57.000 and I put it on another website, would it show up nicely? 17:57.000 --> 17:59.000 Okay, so are you asking about embeds? 17:59.000 --> 18:00.000 What's that? 18:00.000 --> 18:01.000 And embedding? 18:01.000 --> 18:02.000 Yeah. 18:02.000 --> 18:03.000 Yeah. 18:03.000 --> 18:04.000 There's an embed feature, you can enable it, 18:04.000 --> 18:06.000 and you can just copy the HTML code, 18:06.000 --> 18:08.000 and put it on your own website. 18:08.000 --> 18:09.000 Yeah, great. 18:09.000 --> 18:10.000 Okay, thanks. 18:12.000 --> 18:14.000 I think we have them from one very last question, 18:14.000 --> 18:17.000 if we want, and then we can close it here. 18:20.000 --> 18:22.000 Okay, nice to see you again. 18:26.000 --> 18:30.000 I guess one thing about music is discoverability, 18:30.000 --> 18:33.000 and like trying to discover new music. 18:33.000 --> 18:38.000 Do you have any thoughts about how fair camp could play into it? 18:38.000 --> 18:40.000 New music. 18:40.000 --> 18:43.000 Okay, the simplest question for last. 18:43.000 --> 18:47.000 Yeah, it's a much debated topic, I would say. 18:47.000 --> 18:50.000 Like there's a few strands, for instance, fair camp has an RSS feed. 18:50.000 --> 18:54.000 So there's been some discussion, can we put more stuff into the RSS feed, 18:54.000 --> 18:59.000 so that platforms or registry is possibly run by the community, 18:59.000 --> 19:03.000 can better obtain that data, create that data, 19:03.000 --> 19:06.000 to make many fair campsites discoverable. 19:06.000 --> 19:09.000 And I think this is something that in the long run 19:09.000 --> 19:12.000 will be, we'll see what works in what doesn't. 19:12.000 --> 19:17.000 My concern is a bit that maybe talking things onto RSS 19:17.000 --> 19:21.000 is maybe not the most elegant and future proof solutions. 19:21.000 --> 19:23.000 So I think it's a bit of a discussion also, 19:23.000 --> 19:26.000 so I'm also in contact with bandwagon, with mirrored gem. 19:26.000 --> 19:29.000 And we're talking about these things like what could be a way 19:29.000 --> 19:33.000 to, and often the terms that you use is federating, 19:33.000 --> 19:36.000 but maybe not necessarily in the sense of activity pop, 19:36.000 --> 19:40.000 but really finding just whatever technical means are really, 19:40.000 --> 19:43.000 like a good baseline that people can exchange data, 19:43.000 --> 19:46.000 and whether this should be push or pull models. 19:46.000 --> 19:48.000 So there's a lot of discussion, basically, 19:48.000 --> 19:49.000 and not clear answer yet. 19:49.000 --> 19:51.000 Also, it also ties in with consent. 19:51.000 --> 19:54.000 Do we even want to be scrapped, do you want to be discovered? 19:54.000 --> 19:55.000 So lots of questions. 19:55.000 --> 19:58.000 Unfortunately, no clear answers yet, but we're working on it. 19:58.000 --> 20:01.000 Thanks, another big round of applause for sending in here. 20:01.000 --> 20:10.000 And this concludes our webinar room today. 20:10.000 --> 20:11.000 I hope you enjoyed it. 20:11.000 --> 20:13.000 Should we try and do it again next year? 20:13.000 --> 20:14.000 Yes. 20:14.000 --> 20:16.000 Okay, now that's what I wanted to hear. 20:16.000 --> 20:18.000 So I hope you enjoyed it, I certainly did. 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 So see you next year, hopefully.