WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:18.880 yeah 00:18.880 --> 00:48.880 I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to do this 00:48.880 --> 00:49.880 , I'm not going to do it, I'm not going to do this, I'm not good at this, I'm not going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, 00:49.880 --> 00:51.880 Like 01:06.860 --> 01:08.860 If 01:14.260 --> 01:16.140 Okay, yeah 01:16.140 --> 01:18.140 Now 01:19.880 --> 01:21.880 You 02:19.880 --> 02:47.880 Hello, and welcome to our talk, software, freedom podcast, how to do a podcast with free software. 02:47.880 --> 02:56.880 I'm the host and editor of the software, freedom podcast, this podcast has been around since 2019, 02:56.880 --> 03:02.880 and we got into the publishing of regular episodes very recently. 03:02.880 --> 03:11.880 You point them on our xfb.oxvash podcast page, and the focus of this podcast is pre software, obviously, and a UN policy. 03:11.880 --> 03:19.880 It's an interview style podcast, so this is where I have the most experience, and I will also introduce some other things there. 03:19.880 --> 03:21.880 And today I'm here with Ivan. 03:21.880 --> 03:30.880 Hi, I'm Ivan. I'm librarian and podcast, sometimes I help out with the editing of the software, freedom podcast. 03:30.880 --> 03:39.880 And my area is more in the, when I do stuff for myself, it's more like the montage, you know, big production things. 03:39.880 --> 03:42.880 So it's two different styles we represent today. 03:42.880 --> 03:43.880 Yes. 03:43.880 --> 03:45.880 All right. 03:47.880 --> 03:53.880 I'm doing this as a pre timer, it can be a bit of a relative. 03:53.880 --> 04:00.880 So if some of you have already some experience, you might do things differently than we do. 04:00.880 --> 04:04.880 This does not mean that you are doing it wrong or we are doing it wrong. 04:04.880 --> 04:06.880 It's just that we have a different style. 04:06.880 --> 04:10.880 So this always depends on how you do things and how you look at things. 04:10.880 --> 04:16.880 There's some universal things that we can agree on, but yeah, everybody has a bit of a different approach. 04:16.880 --> 04:20.880 So please keep this in mind for all of the slides. 04:20.880 --> 04:23.880 You can also do things differently if you want to. 04:23.880 --> 04:24.880 Yeah. 04:24.880 --> 04:27.880 Like the free software. 04:27.880 --> 04:28.880 Yes. 04:28.880 --> 04:29.880 With this I'm handing over to. 04:29.880 --> 04:30.880 Yeah. 04:31.880 --> 04:37.880 And that's actually why I wanted to use the handheld mic because. 04:37.880 --> 04:46.880 Of course, when you start out in general, I would also say that all the advice we give you is also usable on proprietary software. 04:46.880 --> 04:51.880 I would advise against it, it's better to use something that respects you as a user. 04:51.880 --> 04:59.880 But the point is that actually you can do, you have the full tool chain already and it will sound as good as if you did it with anything else. 04:59.880 --> 05:07.880 But when you're starting, of course it's a nice thing to choose some hardware that will work out. 05:07.880 --> 05:12.880 And with microphones, we have many different types. 05:12.880 --> 05:19.880 We've just taken the two main types that you will run into and that's the dynamic mic and the contents of mic. 05:19.880 --> 05:26.880 And the difference between those two is that there are a lot of technical differences and you probably know a lot about them that I don't. 05:26.880 --> 05:46.880 But the general rule is that if you're in a very quiet room where you are sure that you don't have any disturbing noises around you, then it can be very nice to use a condenser mic because you can get a very full audio picture of your voice or the full range of your voice. 05:46.880 --> 05:50.880 And that can sound very nice and be easy to edit afterwards. 05:50.880 --> 06:05.880 And if you are in a room with background noise, if you're recording at home, maybe treat the room and use a dynamic mic because that will reject a lot of the noise. 06:05.880 --> 06:08.880 But you don't have so much issues. 06:08.880 --> 06:16.880 And if you do interview styles, it can be a good idea to use an omnidirectional mic that will have a pick up person. 06:16.880 --> 06:27.880 So if you forget to move the mic between you and the interviewee, you can still have them on your recording on your tape, so to speak, even though it's not tape now. 06:27.880 --> 06:36.880 And otherwise, when you're recording at home and maybe your children are arguing in the next room or whatever, it can be nice to have a unit direction or mic. 06:36.880 --> 06:42.880 So you don't pick up all of that and need to be doing the whole thing. 06:42.880 --> 06:49.880 Oh yeah. And whenever you record use headphones, because otherwise it's like taking pictures with your eyes closed. 06:50.880 --> 07:05.880 That's just a general good rule. And probably if you use a, if you use a condenser mic, it's nice to use headphones that are closed back, so you don't have bleed from those because it will pick up everything. 07:05.880 --> 07:16.880 And yeah, now, oh, we are in the next slide. The recording devices. No, yeah, let's stay in this one because I haven't said anything about recording devices. 07:16.880 --> 07:24.880 Most, I think of the general use recording devices will be compatible with Linux or with free software in general. 07:24.880 --> 07:34.880 And yeah, it can be nice to just use your recording device to record directly into without having to look at the screen, because that takes a little bit of the pressure of, oh, I'm being recorded right now. 07:34.880 --> 07:39.880 Oh, wait. And that can maybe help you be more natural on the mic. 07:39.880 --> 07:47.880 So that's another thing to, to consider when you're, you know, gathering your sounds to put in your podcast. 07:47.880 --> 07:49.880 No matter the style. 07:49.880 --> 07:51.880 There's this back to me. 07:51.880 --> 07:56.880 Some tips and tricks before we get into the desk of the podcast thing. 07:56.880 --> 08:00.880 Take part seconds of silence at the beginning of each recording. 08:00.880 --> 08:06.880 They're very important. You will need them later for editing and you also need them for printing out the noise. 08:06.880 --> 08:17.880 No matter if the mic is very good there, it might be some background noise and in those five seconds of silence, you can pick it up and run the tool that we will introduce later on as well. 08:17.880 --> 08:20.880 Over the full audio and filter out background noise. 08:20.880 --> 08:23.880 Do not bring copy or T before I talk. 08:23.880 --> 08:28.880 In general, this is a good advice for every presenting thing because it will make this sound. 08:28.880 --> 08:30.880 And I will make it only once so you can get used it. 08:30.880 --> 08:34.880 And then you will hear it every time somebody does it and any other time. 08:34.880 --> 08:35.880 It will hate you. 08:35.880 --> 08:36.880 That's true. 08:36.880 --> 08:37.880 Or any talk. 08:37.880 --> 08:41.880 It's, and this is very annoying. 08:41.880 --> 08:43.880 And it's hard to cut out everything of that. 08:43.880 --> 08:49.880 So do not bring copy or T best pressure T is before you do the podcast recording because 08:49.880 --> 08:56.880 You all of you in this room will now hear the sound in every talk where it is and in every podcast if you pick it up. 08:56.880 --> 08:57.880 It's like with amps. 08:57.880 --> 09:02.880 If you want to hear an amp, you won't stop hearing them. 09:02.880 --> 09:03.880 Yeah. 09:03.880 --> 09:08.880 That's also bringing me to the next thing that I want to say. 09:08.880 --> 09:13.880 Think about what you want to say before you do it. 09:13.880 --> 09:14.880 Take a break. 09:14.880 --> 09:21.880 If you are unsure about how to face the sentence because breaks can be edited out very easily. 09:21.880 --> 09:23.880 And am innocent. 09:23.880 --> 09:27.880 It's like I did with to think about what you want to say. 09:27.880 --> 09:33.880 If this amp is like very much included in the phrase and in the sound level, it can be really hard to cut this out. 09:33.880 --> 09:39.880 So always remember that we want to think about what you want to say before you do because in a podcast. 09:39.880 --> 09:48.880 If it's not a live podcast, breaks can be edited out very, very easily. 09:48.880 --> 09:50.880 Outline, I'm sorry, telling. 09:50.880 --> 09:57.880 Before you do anything in the podcast, think about what you want to tell the podcast, how this podcast 09:57.880 --> 10:03.880 would look like where you want to end up so that you have a brief outline of the full conversation that you want. 10:03.880 --> 10:08.880 On the other hand, also go with the flow because if you stick too much to the script, 10:08.880 --> 10:10.880 it will be very hard to listen to. 10:10.880 --> 10:17.880 And if you are asking a question, this person is answering the question, but also already answering the next question. 10:17.880 --> 10:20.880 It is sometimes hard to follow the conversation. 10:20.880 --> 10:24.880 Then if you do ask the question that you have written down because you have written down the question. 10:24.880 --> 10:27.880 So go with the flow of the conversation. 10:27.880 --> 10:35.880 Just have an outline and an understanding of what you generally want to achieve with this podcast episode or with the story you want to tell. 10:35.880 --> 10:40.880 And also set yourself between minus 12 to minus 60B. 10:40.880 --> 10:43.880 This is the past, sound level you can achieve. 10:43.880 --> 10:50.880 And then you stay in between the very lowest and the red red red area, which is not very good. 10:50.880 --> 10:52.880 Just a little bit. 10:52.880 --> 10:56.880 There are of course more tips and tricks to test. 10:56.880 --> 10:59.880 Those are the most important ones that I consider important. 10:59.880 --> 11:03.880 If you have others, come to me and talk to me about that later. 11:04.880 --> 11:07.880 The topic should be interesting. 11:07.880 --> 11:11.880 Obviously, if you are not interested in topic, you'll listen to what the either, either. 11:11.880 --> 11:17.880 They will notice that you are either very bored, that you are not happy or something like that. 11:17.880 --> 11:25.880 So if you have a passion for what you like and talk about, then the others will pick up. 11:25.880 --> 11:32.880 So for example, yesterday somebody came to me and was like, I know your voice from the podcast and you always sound really happy. 11:32.880 --> 11:35.880 Because I really, really care about free software. 11:35.880 --> 11:41.880 This is something that is a core value for me that I really, truly believe in. 11:41.880 --> 11:44.880 And I do have a passion for this. 11:44.880 --> 11:49.880 So that's why I'm doing this podcast because I want others to experience this passion as well. 11:49.880 --> 11:52.880 And to know about free software and to learn about free software. 11:52.880 --> 11:58.880 So if you have a topic that you are not interested in, for example, I don't know. 11:59.880 --> 12:01.880 Gardening. 12:01.880 --> 12:04.880 Then it will be hard for others to listen to this podcast. 12:04.880 --> 12:08.880 And yeah, it's just very boring, most of them. 12:08.880 --> 12:14.880 Podcasts are also not a style or type, but rather this is the medium, how you transfer your message. 12:14.880 --> 12:16.880 There are various types of podcasts. 12:16.880 --> 12:22.880 You can do an interview one like I'm doing with this after a freedom podcast where you have a host and a guest. 12:22.880 --> 12:27.880 You can have a conversation where you have more of a talk or discussion. 12:27.880 --> 12:30.880 You can do a monologue as a one person show for this. 12:30.880 --> 12:31.880 You need to be cut out. 12:31.880 --> 12:36.880 So you need to be a person who is able to talk constantly on your own. 12:36.880 --> 12:40.880 You can do storytelling, investigative podcasts. 12:40.880 --> 12:42.880 So there are various options. 12:42.880 --> 12:45.880 You can do art, theatre, sound experience. 12:45.880 --> 12:48.880 For example, you could do an theatre with other languages. 12:48.880 --> 12:53.880 The kids books that we have over at the free software for days. 12:53.880 --> 12:55.880 New York's booth as well. 12:55.880 --> 12:59.880 And yeah, you can do various things of podcasts. 12:59.880 --> 13:00.880 There are no limits. 13:00.880 --> 13:04.880 Podcasts are just a medium-portrait. 13:04.880 --> 13:09.880 There are also obviously if you have picked your type of podcast various categories. 13:09.880 --> 13:13.880 So think about this beforehand so that you, for example, if you want to do an interview, 13:13.880 --> 13:18.880 it can still be a comedy lifestyle technology or educational type of category. 13:18.880 --> 13:21.880 So think about this before you do the podcast. 13:22.880 --> 13:28.880 Because otherwise you will be in this podcast recording and it won't fit. 13:28.880 --> 13:32.880 And yes, very important part to think about beforehand. 13:32.880 --> 13:34.880 Then you do your intro. 13:34.880 --> 13:38.880 So welcome back to, or welcome to the software feed and podcast. 13:38.880 --> 13:39.880 This is the podcast project. 13:39.880 --> 13:41.880 You buy the free software foundation. 13:41.880 --> 13:42.880 You're a charity. 13:42.880 --> 13:45.880 That's the part of the freedom. 13:45.880 --> 13:48.880 And think about an outro. 13:48.880 --> 13:51.880 And then you basically set for everything. 13:51.880 --> 13:52.880 You have the intro. 13:52.880 --> 13:53.880 You have the podcast hype. 13:53.880 --> 13:54.880 The category. 13:54.880 --> 13:55.880 Provide a guest. 13:55.880 --> 13:56.880 And yeah. 13:56.880 --> 13:57.880 One for three. 13:57.880 --> 13:58.880 First record. 13:58.880 --> 13:59.880 Yes. 13:59.880 --> 14:04.880 And once you have done that, think about like a lot of things. 14:04.880 --> 14:07.880 But not, well, better to do than before. 14:07.880 --> 14:12.880 I would talk a little bit now about the editing and the mixing of the product. 14:12.880 --> 14:16.880 Because there are certain things to consider. 14:17.880 --> 14:18.880 It's nice. 14:18.880 --> 14:20.880 We will also in the next talk. 14:20.880 --> 14:22.880 Which we're looking forward to. 14:22.880 --> 14:25.880 Here about a podcast focused door. 14:25.880 --> 14:27.880 But in general, it's nice to choose one. 14:27.880 --> 14:31.880 A digital audio workstation is the abbreviation. 14:31.880 --> 14:35.880 It's nice to choose one that has non-destructive editing. 14:35.880 --> 14:41.880 So you don't maybe make a cuts and then continue your edit. 14:41.880 --> 14:42.880 And then discover all. 14:42.880 --> 14:45.880 It should have been nice to have like a millisecond more where I made that cut. 14:45.880 --> 14:49.880 And then you don't have to, I don't know, control, see your whole way back. 14:49.880 --> 14:51.880 And undo all the steps to redo that. 14:51.880 --> 14:53.880 And then redo all your work. 14:53.880 --> 14:55.880 It's nice if you have non-destructive editing. 14:55.880 --> 15:00.880 So you can just go and pull the end of what you've cut, for instance. 15:00.880 --> 15:07.880 Also when adding EQ and other plugins to your tracks. 15:07.880 --> 15:09.880 Most doors do this. 15:09.880 --> 15:14.880 But it used to be that some of the more popular ones didn't. 15:14.880 --> 15:25.880 And then when I had it, I learned this from an editor from NPR that always said that this was the way to go. 15:25.880 --> 15:29.880 So now I'm following that advice and I find it works out very nice. 15:29.880 --> 15:34.880 This is a screenshot from Adora of two things. 15:34.880 --> 15:41.880 The one over here is the evening out of the levels. 15:41.880 --> 15:44.880 Where I go in and I run through the track. 15:44.880 --> 15:49.880 So if the bunny is too excited or something, then I maybe take it down a little bit. 15:49.880 --> 15:54.880 So that I work like the whole general I have on the master track. 15:54.880 --> 16:00.880 I run LUFS, loudness units full scale. 16:00.880 --> 16:04.880 I think on the whole thing. 16:04.880 --> 16:09.880 And then I go through each track and make sure that we are around minus 23. 16:10.880 --> 16:12.880 A little bit more little bit less. 16:12.880 --> 16:15.880 But that gives some headroom for the final export. 16:15.880 --> 16:19.880 While still having some loudness to work with. 16:19.880 --> 16:23.880 And the other thing is the loudness meter that I put on that track. 16:23.880 --> 16:25.880 And I really love this loudness meter. 16:25.880 --> 16:30.880 So I just wanted to show you because it's the GUI is really easily understandable. 16:30.880 --> 16:35.880 It's like a radar and you see whenever you are outside of the realm. 16:35.880 --> 16:44.880 It's not like work by work but more like sentence by sentence to have sort of equal levels. 16:44.880 --> 16:47.880 So that's the target for that to leave some space. 16:47.880 --> 16:51.880 And then maybe if needed run some noise reduction. 16:51.880 --> 16:55.880 But that depends if you do your recording right. 16:55.880 --> 16:57.880 That means mic placement. 16:57.880 --> 16:59.880 If you have your mic here at the sound table. 16:59.880 --> 17:02.880 If you have it here sounds a little bit better. 17:02.880 --> 17:07.880 And then you can risk that you have some noise. 17:07.880 --> 17:09.880 And then you will need to do some noise reduction. 17:09.880 --> 17:17.880 But I generally try to do as little of that as possible because it will effect the audio. 17:17.880 --> 17:23.880 So I try to work out if it's needed or if it's all right that there's a little hum. 17:23.880 --> 17:26.880 Maybe not as much as in here today. 17:26.880 --> 17:33.880 But it can be nice also just because it brings what you call it. 17:33.880 --> 17:39.880 Very truthfulness to the audio which is also a natural sounding. 17:39.880 --> 17:44.880 So that's always my goal. 17:44.880 --> 17:53.880 And then when you cut out an arm or a piece really those are the worst. 17:53.880 --> 17:55.880 You cut those out. 17:55.880 --> 18:00.880 Move the playhead back a little bit and listen across it without looking at the screen. 18:00.880 --> 18:02.880 And that's a general advice I want to give you. 18:02.880 --> 18:03.880 Trust your ears. 18:03.880 --> 18:04.880 There are tons of it. 18:04.880 --> 18:07.880 We are talking about different plugins you can use. 18:07.880 --> 18:10.880 Compressors etc etc. 18:10.880 --> 18:15.880 So it's just generally good to trust your ears and listen to the thing. 18:15.880 --> 18:20.880 Not look because then you end up editing with your eyes more than your ears. 18:20.880 --> 18:24.880 And generally also bad audio will never be good but it can sometimes be okay. 18:24.880 --> 18:29.880 I'll just leave that point there because we've been across that already. 18:29.880 --> 18:33.880 And then you decide whether you want a needs compression and or EQ. 18:33.880 --> 18:37.880 Again if your recording is still out then maybe you don't. 18:37.880 --> 18:42.880 But if you think I could pop a little bit better if I use some compression on this voice. 18:42.880 --> 18:48.880 You put that plugin on but don't do it just to do it. 18:48.880 --> 18:56.880 And if you have music and if you do a good you know like a big production where you have voice over and something like 18:56.880 --> 19:01.880 I don't know cereal or whatever that's one of the ones that everybody knows. 19:01.880 --> 19:11.880 The rock and roll mixing trick is one of the stable tips I got and I love it because you can always you know the distance between the speaking voice and the music. 19:11.880 --> 19:17.880 When you're editing and you have your headphones or your studio speakers it can be you know your show up this is nice. 19:17.880 --> 19:25.880 But when you turn it down you are more similar to the situation where somebody listens in a car or in a bus where there's a lot of background noise. 19:25.880 --> 19:37.880 And so the trick is to turn your sound card your monitoring all the way down to it's almost not audible and then if you still can hear both the voice and the music then you're sure that the levels between them. 19:38.880 --> 19:44.880 So that it will be still useful otherwise why use the music if you can't hear it you know. 19:44.880 --> 19:58.880 And then on export with the software freedom podcast we normalize to minus 16 LUFS because then it will you don't have to sit and tweak the volume all the time. 19:59.880 --> 20:07.880 This leads me with the export for software freedom podcast we do turbo experts the most common one is MP3 in the podcasting vote. 20:07.880 --> 20:17.880 So yeah this is also what is for example antenna spot or your preferred podcasting app and we also have to open which is available on. 20:17.880 --> 20:24.880 So if you want to listen to a free file this is your chance. 20:24.880 --> 20:31.880 Now you're done and it's off to find a fast distribution to podcast by your near your listener. 20:31.880 --> 20:43.880 I would say as we only have five minutes left we do the questions we do have some slides about the demos that with the tools we use but yeah come to us later we are more than happy to explain them and. 20:43.880 --> 20:50.880 I'm sure that's the key or other I'm using audacity for editing and I'm using other yes thank you very much for the attention. 20:50.880 --> 20:56.880 Thank you thank you so. 20:56.880 --> 21:04.880 Yeah we've had a question you will have to bring the mic to you so the people online can hear and for the recording so. 21:04.880 --> 21:10.880 Could you put your hand up if you've got any questions okay there's one in the middle and so on can you. 21:14.880 --> 21:26.880 In the meantime as the mic is handed over we also have two books that we can recommend that we read for the podcast come and find us if you want to take a look at them. 21:26.880 --> 21:33.880 Okay I'm just short one did you find any useful software to deal with the S. 21:34.880 --> 21:41.880 In it I seem to have a lot of problems with that despite of having like a thing in front of it which you you know make it. 21:41.880 --> 21:45.880 My better but my advice would be paid in paid out. 21:45.880 --> 21:54.880 So depending on that as is that's how I try to limit those things or also if there's like a real hard clicking noise sometimes. 21:54.880 --> 22:00.880 I heavily rely on paid and paid out and this is like a really editing thing that I love. 22:01.880 --> 22:06.880 Yeah yeah yeah and EQ and you know. 22:06.880 --> 22:16.880 I can in order I use an EQ that I like very much because I can see the graphic representation of the sound waves both I can choose if it's pre or post. 22:16.880 --> 22:21.880 And then you know you can see whenever the S happens where does it you know. 22:21.880 --> 22:29.880 What range are we know you can sweep for it and you know try to just eliminate that part or make it less annoying you can't remove. 22:29.880 --> 22:32.880 But you can make it less annoying for the listener. 22:32.880 --> 22:47.880 So to clarify regarding setting the levels the. 22:47.880 --> 22:59.880 So to clarify regarding setting the levels the. 22:59.880 --> 23:15.880 I've done some editing before and it's obvious when somebody gets really excited it takes over the entire waveform for that part so was your recommendation to like cut the peaks down to negative 22 because you said. 23:15.880 --> 23:21.880 Level it out and normally you obviously have a graph and so it's just yeah I. 23:21.880 --> 23:38.880 So I take each track and depend if they are silent or if they are more quiet or if they are more loud I try to make it you know that the meter gives me around you know 22 23 21. 23:39.880 --> 23:54.880 All the way through it and if it's maybe I don't know 14 I will bring it down a notch or if or minus obviously sorry all the time and if it's I don't know. 23:55.880 --> 24:06.880 So that it's you know more balanced yeah more balanced within itself in relation to the to the other tape. 24:06.880 --> 24:15.880 So it's not necessarily just a matter of necessarily trying to bring everything down to that negative 22 is it just trying to this this little range. 24:15.880 --> 24:33.880 I'm sure that you don't have to sit with your hand on the knob all the time when you think the export was that's to minus 16 was to minus 16 so negative 22 during editing and six minus 16 for export. 24:33.880 --> 24:35.880 Yeah that would be my. 24:35.880 --> 24:44.880 So the slides are also online and we do have documentation at the FSB documentation pages that you can access as well. 24:44.880 --> 24:47.880 Where all this is outlined as well. 24:56.880 --> 24:58.880 Question from the internet. 24:58.880 --> 25:05.880 Any recommended recording devices or others on the phone and what about Bluetooth microphones. 25:05.880 --> 25:08.880 Can you can you repeat it's very. 25:08.880 --> 25:14.880 Yeah any recommendation for recording devices and what about Bluetooth microphones. 25:14.880 --> 25:23.880 So recommendations for recording device I mean there are certain brands I don't know if it's appropriate to mention them but you know. 25:23.880 --> 25:34.880 But fairly common recording device you just need something that puts out an audio file because you can always get the audio file into computer and then start working with it. 25:34.880 --> 25:49.880 And I don't think I mean I prefer non USB or Bluetooth mics because then I can use them in other situations as well if you go out in the talk or play music or whatever you can still use the same microphone. 25:49.880 --> 25:51.880 That's enjoyable. 25:51.880 --> 26:01.880 But would also say that it's more important that you treat the room and where you place the mic. 26:01.880 --> 26:06.880 I did an AP test I will tell just for the internet person asking this. 26:06.880 --> 26:12.880 I did a test with the microphone that was you know priced around 100 euro very common microphone. 26:12.880 --> 26:18.880 All shaped head I won't say which make and I tested it with like 400 euro mic. 26:18.880 --> 26:32.880 That was the same type and the placement of the microphone was much more important to how I perceived the audio quality than the make of the mic. 26:32.880 --> 26:47.880 And generally what I would like to add there as well is the quality of the mic is so important for the full recording but podcast is not the medium we have like or like very high quality audio it's not a movie. 26:47.880 --> 26:55.880 So it's okay to have a good mic at the beginning and then you can always level up but just think about the room. 26:55.880 --> 27:03.880 The placement make sure the room is not empty because otherwise you will have a very holy sound in it as well. 27:03.880 --> 27:06.880 So this is the most important advice that I have for this as well. 27:06.880 --> 27:08.880 Yeah I think this is fun. 27:08.880 --> 27:12.880 You can of course support the FSFE and the software freedom podcast. 27:12.880 --> 27:24.880 As we are charity and you can find us in building K level to stand 9 if you have any questions or I want to take a look at our books that we have with us for interview style and much more on how to edit. 27:24.880 --> 27:27.880 And yeah podcasting. 27:27.880 --> 27:28.880 Thank you very much. 27:28.880 --> 27:30.880 We didn't write the books but we used them. 27:30.880 --> 27:32.880 We didn't write them. 27:32.880 --> 27:33.880 Thank you. 27:33.880 --> 27:34.880 Thank you. 27:34.880 --> 27:35.880 Fascinating. 27:35.880 --> 27:37.880 I want to take a picture of these books.